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11/25/2009

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Can I anonymous call out David Barrett?

I daresay, Justinian, that you don't appear to have learned much from your cocktail party debacle. Isn't your second paragraph just a teeny bit overgeneralizing? Just saying....

Actually, I did learn something from my cocktail party experience: I'm not cut out for the corporate world. That's part of why I'm going to be a plaintiffs' lawyer.

There may be a bit of overgeneralization, and perhaps even a tiny bit of exaggeration in this article. But my major premise is still true: If someone really knows how to be a good rainmaker, he or she will make substantially more money by making rain than by teaching others to do so. Thus, if someone is trying to support themselves by teaching rainmaking skills, he or she doesn't know enough about it to actually do it.

I think you may be missing the mark in one important way, and I'm only writing here because you want to work on the side of consumers (plaintiffs) That's great. I've been at it since the mid 1980s. I don't know many consumer-side lawyers who are well off simply because they have succeeded at marketing. Marketing is only half the skill set. We get paid based on results. Having a bunch of cases and no ability to handle them is a recipe for massive failure. So I don't think you can equate what we do on the consumers' side to market with defense/business rainmaking. Apples and oranges.

That, by the way, is one more reason why the soc media experts and many of the web sites devoted to lawyer marketing are such a failure. They can't deliver.

It's great to hear from a fellow plaintiffs' guy, David! I do think you forgot about one group of plaintiffs lawyers, though: Every day you and I are bombarded by TV ads of national law firms who act as nothing more than referral mills. They have the sign 'em up and refer 'em out business model, and some of them make millions of dollars a year doing it.

If, for example, you've got the knack for marketing down pat, you could start an asbestos referral mill and easily make 7 figures a year in referral fees. All you'd need to do is get one good meso case per quarter and refer it out. Easy money, but not exactly being a lawyer. As you point out, though, if you plan on working up your own cases, you damned well better know what you're doing or you will have a "massive failure" on your hands.

I also agree that most of the lawyer marketing "gurus" can't deliver for either side of the bar.


Just by the way, Justinian, I am a former consumer class action attorney, myself (plaintiff side). You'll still need good manners and good sense. =-)

RE: "If a guy with a J.D. is trying to make his or her money from teaching other lawyers about social media, you can be sure that he or she is a failure as a lawyer. "

Are you calling Kevin O'Keefe a failure?

Kevin doesn't make his living trying to teach lawyers how to be rainmakers. He developed a pretty good blogging platform for lawyers to blog with. That's a huge difference. Now, if he decides to shut down Lexblog and start hawking books on how to be a legal blogger, we'll revisit this discussion....

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